Two straight days of rain, so no riding yet this week. The weather will soon be clearing. Hopefully that means a return to the road...
I decided recently to reflect on the state of internet discussion today. Old bikes are one subject, but perhaps this can apply to any subject today where we have privately-managed online discussion.
There is a great deal in the media about increasing toxicity online. I can't say that I disagree, though perhaps some level of toxicity has always been there. What has increased is the frequency and proliferation of toxic behavior. I highlight today "slow burn toxicity" or "chronic toxic behavior".
This kind of behavior isn't nasty enough to get the user banned outright - at least right away - but it works a constant drip-drip of poison, eventually driving other people out of the discussion or out of the discussion forum entirely. Usually this takes the form of snide remarks, chronic sarcasm, back-handed compliments, or low-level but constant antagonism. This is the kind of behavior where the discussion will go a number of pages and finally a moderator or website owner steps in and says "That's enough!".
Were the toxicity very strong: a nasty, direct insult, for example, then the offender would be banned straight off.
The problem with this slow-burn toxic behavior is that eventually good contributors and regular people say, "this isn't worth it...", and leave the discussion or the website entirely. New users are taken aback by a low-level, toxic reception or snarky greetings. They also leave. The slow-burn offender might be chastised or even suspended, but he or she eventually comes back and reverts to his or her old ways. Even worse, the offender may resort to some justification or excuse for the behavior. If this kind of slow-burn toxicity becomes endemic, eventually only the toxic people are left. The moderators and owners of the website then wonder why the better contributors have left.
The solution, I think, is to ban repeat offenders after the behavior reaches a tipping point. If a moderator or site owner finds the person is "one of the usual suspects", then it is time to reconsider whether this person is helping the discussion or whether they are harming the entire endeavor. One would not ban a one-off offense or someone "having a bad day", which is understandable. But when the same half-dozen people are allowed to gradually drive out others, then the ban is the way to go. If the person tries to come back under an alias to restart his or her toxic behavior, then that is an instant ban for trying to circumvent the rules.
I don't take this opinion lightly, and I don't like the idea of banning people or squelching discussion. But sometimes when you see the locked thread or locked discussion icon on the screen, you just know who the usual suspects are. Your discussion board, website, area, etc. is yours to maintain and it is a privilege - not a right - to participate in it. When you have "usual suspects", you have a problem that needs to be addressed. That has been my experience of 28+ years consistently being involved in internet discussions.
HI Mike!
ReplyDeleteJust my opinion, but it seems everybody is well served by taking a little break from the blue screen.
I retired only a week ago, and life has been a bit of a happy blur, but, even with the heat and humidity here in the upper Midwest, a bike ride is still the highlight of my day.
Love reading your posts. Pretty sure we would be most excellent neighbors. I try not to post anything I wouldn’t say to a neighbor.
Ted
Hi Ted, congratulations on retirement. Even with work, I still try to ride 3 or 4 times each week between April and November. The weather does not always cooperate here though.
DeleteThis post actually came out of a 1980s road-bike related discussion that got closed down by the moderator on a different website. I am mostly indifferent to 1980s road bikes, but I was curious as to why a discussion of old road bikes would be closed when it seems like fewer people are interested in old bikes today... When I saw the online names of the people involved in the discussion, if featured, at least in part, a "who's who" of sarcastic and argumentative forum members and I wasn't surprised. I feel bad for the people who tried to discuss the topic reasonably because the troublemakers turned it into a dumpster fire and it had to be closed down. But then I thought to myself, if you have "usual suspects" who de-rail the discussion, why are they not in "time out"?
I appreciate your posts. You have some very nice pictures from your rides and some very nice bikes. It's good your son is into the hobby. We seem to have more people exiting the hobby than young people joining these days. Hopefully we can pry away a few from their smartphones and e-bikes... One can only hope...